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This will be a new feature for the weekend! Enjoy!

With games like Battlefield and Mortal Kombat to name but a few, do you feel it's right to have to buy a online pass due to the game been second hand?

That and the fact of preorder bonus. We all know it's going to be coming as DLC later, but is a game worth paying full price when in two weeks it will drop?

Good example of this is ... God help us ... EA Sports Fifa 2012 : Ultimate edition which comes at a RRP of 54.99. Since I don't play football it don't bother me. However for the price that you are paying, you will be getting a year supply of free dlc for the game. As nice as that sounds, the price is still too much.

Who's to say other 3rd party companies won't follow this? Again EA has done it with Need for Speed that if you buy the game second hand you need to buy a online pass. SVR (Smackdown vs Raw 2011) had the same thing as well, however they also said if you pay so much you can get all the dlc for free.

The problem is, game makers are seeing that we are buying games for a second hand price and are pissed off about it. I get it they don't make a thing out of it and all profit goes to the shops.

With places like HMV they do have a fight on their hands now with Tesco or ASDA trying to under cut them. And let's be real, some of us want the game in our hands before or on the release date.

However, very little games I buy within release date now. Good example of this is ... Castlevania. Came out at 39.99, week later, in Zavvi's Mega Monday sale for 24.99. It's other games as well that get this treatment.

If digital download is the way forward as well, they also needs to cut down on price. Some of the games on sale seems a bit steep for me when you can buy a disk copy for less if you have a look around.

For me personally, I like having the case/box. Yeah it may take up space next to 100+ 360 games however, I like the look of some covers and know that I can borrow it to a friend if need be.

Well that's my rant done now! Thanks for reading and leave a comment!

Loading ... Please wait ... is my view on things and is in no way to upset anyone.
 

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Pepz
Member
8 years ago
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This will be a new feature for the weekend! Enjoy!

With games like Battlefield and Mortal Kombat to name but a few, do you feel it's right to have to buy a online pass due to the game been second hand?

That and the fact of preorder bonus. We all know it's going to be coming as DLC later, but is a game worth paying full price when in two weeks it will drop?

Good example of this is ... God help us ... EA Sports Fifa 2012 : Ultimate edition which comes at a RRP of 54.99. Since I don't play football it don't bother me. However for the price that you are paying, you will be getting a year supply of free dlc for the game. As nice as that sounds, the price is still too much.

Who's to say other 3rd party companies won't follow this? Again EA has done it with Need for Speed that if you buy the game second hand you need to buy a online pass. SVR (Smackdown vs Raw 2011) had the same thing as well, however they also said if you pay so much you can get all the dlc for free.

The problem is, game makers are seeing that we are buying games for a second hand price and are pissed off about it. I get it they don't make a thing out of it and all profit goes to the shops.

With places like HMV they do have a fight on their hands now with Tesco or ASDA trying to under cut them. And let's be real, some of us want the game in our hands before or on the release date.

However, very little games I buy within release date now. Good example of this is ... Castlevania. Came out at 39.99, week later, in Zavvi's Mega Monday sale for 24.99. It's other games as well that get this treatment.

If digital download is the way forward as well, they also needs to cut down on price. Some of the games on sale seems a bit steep for me when you can buy a disk copy for less if you have a look around.

For me personally, I like having the case/box. Yeah it may take up space next to 100+ 360 games however, I like the look of some covers and know that I can borrow it to a friend if need be.

Well that's my rant done now! Thanks for reading and leave a comment!

Loading ... Please wait ... is my view on things and is in no way to upset anyone.
SMAR7i3
Member
8 years ago
I totally agree with you here in every context. The only games that I ever buy on release are the big selling games, e.g Gears of War 3. It's the games that I know will still hold their price for a good 6 months. Where as games such as, i don't know, Vanquish? Drop down to a mere ?15 in a couple of weeks.

I usually have an eye for such things. I'm cool like that ;)
nyall97
Member
8 years ago
I think this feature is actually quite interesting if it were to keep running, i always enjoy reading Monday Musing on the dashboard, etc.
maniac2k6
Member
8 years ago
I can see the points you're making, but I have to disagree with them. Firstly, no one (and I mean literally no one) in the gaming industry sells by RRP. FIFA 12 Ultimate Edition is ?45 everywhere, which isn't a bad price at all when you look at what the content is (if you use Ultimate Team mode, that is). The same can be said for a lot of games that use this method, you pay a bit more up front but, if you use the mode the content is for, you end up saving money over buying it all as seperate DLC.

As for preorder DLC... I'm all for it. The second hand market needs to get out of the industry and die. It does nothing but rob the people who spend thousands of hours creating these games out of getting any return. And honestly, if people can't afford to spend ?40 on a video game then they shouldn't be buying them - you need to be keeping that money for other things.

I do, however, agree with you on GoD. The delay in having them available + the price makes them entirely pointless. It was nice to see PSN have inFamous 2 (for example) up on the PSN store the day before release, but charging ?5 more than the disk version of the same game without the preorder DLC is just a completely missed opportunity.

And if Darkwings sees this, he'll probably end up sighing and shaking his head because it's something we've had a million conversations on by now. :P
Darkwings18
Member
8 years ago
Maniac, I knew when you saw this, you would say that so I waited :P we have had far too many debates on this and I know more will follow soon enough.:)

On topic however, I definatley agree that Games on Demand is too expensive. No-one should have to pay the same amount as what a game first released as, if its on GoD after months or even a year. The online pass, sometimes I see them as easy cash for companies, other times I can sort of see their use and agree with it.

I'm totally for pre-order DLC, even though after a few months it works its way into the Marketplace. The point me and Maniac tend to disagree on is the second hand market. Not everyone can afford to pay the initial release of a game(usually around 40). Second hand games allow them to play the games at a cheaper price, and yes, for online passes they do need to purchase it by using MSP.

Another reason why waiting on price drops is good is what it says on the tin. It saves money, and there has been numerous games which have released, done poorly and dropped in price almost instantly. Castlevania being Pepz example is a good case. The same can be said for Arcade titles, seeing as some fall and instantly drop. After all, Gatling Gears began at 1200MSP and fell to 400MSP quickly.
Pepz
Member
8 years ago
Wow so we have 1 person agree and another who disagree! Maniac, when I said about the price, I'm talking even in store price as well. Game is one of those companies who will just not even do a discount on RRP for games. Think about it, you walk into a store day of release and you see ... I dunno ... Fart Knockers 2. ::TONG::

You know you can get it cheaper online but you want it in your hands now. It's temptation. One we have to fight at times. Even when you go to Burger King and get an Whopper meal, go large for 40p extra? It's sounds nice but how hungry are you? :)

It's great to hear your view and I hope to hear more views as well from yourself and others!

Edit : Going to go a bit more into it.

Gears of War 3 Season pass. You got 3 choices for this. 1 : Buy the pass for 2400 MSP. 2 : Get the DLC separately and pay 3600 MSP. Or 3 : Wait for the Game of the year edition where it's got everything for a cheaper price. :OOH:: Again it's down to you. Sure everyone has played it to death and be ranked higher than you, but then when you see much money you saved, was it worth it?
GrumpyOlGamer
Member
8 years ago
Wow! I can't believe there are gamers out there that are so anti-second-hand. I for one am definitely for the second hand market. Why? Because you should be well in your right to sell something you own when you don't need it. Retailers have just taken it to a whole other level. Do the sales companies REALLY lose out - NO, not really. The game that is being sold has already been paid for. If it wasn't being sold at a lower price - the buyer probably wouldn't buy it... or wait for a sale. Neither can really be said to effect the Games Industry that much. I mean, what's next? You shouldn't be allowed to let your friends BORROW the games? Well, that's already happening with DOWNLOAD ONLY games.

Now then, as far as the online pass goes - Incentives, not punishment. As XBOX owners we're used to having to pay to play online. If I buy a game that says it's got online capabilities (2nd hand or not) then I should be able to play it like that. Whilst it's not a severe punishment to pay an extra fiver to play online - I've already bought the game, this ISN'T DLC. Now then, DLC is a fine reward for purchasing a game as new (Well, dependant on the DLC really). There are two things with this though - A) Any levels, etc SHOULD be available to the marketplace at a later date or higher price - B) Unique weapons, clothes, etc should NOT be available at a later date ...or if they are a MUCH higher price. You're being rewarded for helping the industry first and foremost, what's the point of having DLC that other people can get straight away - and if it's something visual, it's like a badge of loyalty - making it available to others is basically a kick in the teeth for that loyalty. :P

I understand that the games industry as a whole is taking a bit of a hit financially - but grasping for every nickel and dime isn't the way to prevent it. It basically gives the industry a bad name. By all means reward the players who buy the games first, but punishing those that choose their price (I'm SO against the cost of GoD games too!) is truly smacking the face of a portion of your fans.

- GrumpyOlGamer - Rambled for too long, as usual! :P
GrumpyOlGamer
Member
8 years ago
Just a quick after thought - the main issue that concerns developers is the first week/months sales. As people who see the title on the wall for ?40 then see the second hand one for ?30 as some guys taken it home, played it, and sold it in a couple of days (probably not a great game if that's the case!).

My quite-dumb-cos-it'll-never-happen suggestion : Why not have retailers help the game industry by refusing the sale of said items for the first month or something...or not reduce the price so much (if at all). I tend to buy a full price game if the difference isn't too big.

The thing here is when will the first-buyers on the downloadable market start getting rewards? Knowing that most XBLA games will halve in price in about 3 months, isn't a good incentive. Of all the games I've downloaded the only ones that spring to mind are the TWISTED PIXEL games and a few others. There's nothing more annoying than to find these games on sale a matter of weeks later. Surely some free avatar items, dlc or something wouldn't be too out of the question... anyway - I've gone off topic as usual.. someday soon mebbe...